{"id":550,"date":"2003-03-03T20:08:03","date_gmt":"2003-03-03T19:08:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.freiholtz.se\/forvetet\/?p=550"},"modified":"2003-03-03T20:08:03","modified_gmt":"2003-03-03T19:08:03","slug":"vart-en-obol","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.freiholtz.se\/forvetet\/2003\/03\/03\/vart-en-obol\/","title":{"rendered":"V\u00e4rt en obol"},"content":{"rendered":"

Karon p\u00e5 Drullestigen<\/a> kommenterar i inl\u00e4gget ”Odefinierad st\u00e5ndpunkt” kommenterad<\/i> mina synpunkter p\u00e5 hans argumentation i Irakfr\u00e5gan. Det visar sig att en hel del inte var menat som argument, utan var uttryck f\u00f6r Karons ”uppfattning” i diverse Irakrelaterade fr\u00e5gor.<\/p>\n

Betr\u00e4ffande de ”fredliga v\u00e4garna<\/i>” \u00e4ndrar Karon nu st\u00e5ndpunkt fr\u00e5n att de lett till ”ingenting<\/i>” till att de inte f\u00e5tt ”avsedd verkan<\/i>”. Det kan jag inst\u00e4mma i och acceptera som argument. Sedan \u00e5terst\u00e5r fr\u00e5gan om det \u00e4r tillr\u00e4ckligt sk\u00e4l f\u00f6r krig?<\/p>\n

N\u00e4r det g\u00e4ller ”bomben” var min inv\u00e4ndning baserad p\u00e5 att jag uppfattat att Saddam Hussein hittills anklagats f\u00f6r att d\u00f6lja innehav och produktion av biologiska och kemiska vapen samt av projektiler och missiler med ”konventionella” stridsladdningar men med st\u00f6rre r\u00e4ckvidd \u00e4n den av FN till\u00e5tna. Jag kan inte p\u00e5minna mig n\u00e5gra \u00f6vertygande bevis eller indicier p\u00e5 Iraks vilja och f\u00f6rm\u00e5ga att utveckla k\u00e4rnvapen. Finns det s\u00e5 \u00e4r det naturligtvis ett relevant argument. Men fr\u00e5gan \u00e4r densamma som i f\u00f6reg\u00e5ende punkt.<\/p>\n

Karon f\u00f6rst\u00e5r inte vad jag menar med ”stipulativa definitioner<\/i>” eller ”… att tillskriva dem andra st\u00e5ndpunkter \u00e4n de som de framf\u00f6r<\/i> …”. Det jag menar \u00e4r att man inte f\u00e5r argument f\u00f6r sin sak genom att f\u00e4sta diverse epitet p\u00e5 meningsmotst\u00e5ndarna eller deras \u00e5sikter, inte heller genom att ”tro” att de menar n\u00e5got annat \u00e4n vad de s\u00e4ger.<\/p>\n

Efter sina v\u00e4lkomna f\u00f6rtydliganden redovisar Karon sina sk\u00e4l f\u00f6r ”att f\u00f6rbereda ett milit\u00e4rt ingripande i Irak<\/i>” i inl\u00e4gget Vad vilja Karon M\u00f6red\u00f6sk?<\/i>. Det \u00e4r goda argument som \u00e4ven jag kan acceptera som relevanta. Jag har dock n\u00e5gra fr\u00e5gor betr\u00e4ffande Karons argument:<\/p>\n

”Jag v\u00e4rnar om FN:s auktoritet och trov\u00e4rdighet<\/i>” Jag antar att det betyder att Karon anser att USA och Storbritannien ska respektera ett eventuellt nej i FN:s s\u00e4kerhetsr\u00e5d till ett krig mot Irak (”milit\u00e4rt ingripande” l\u00e5ter i mina \u00f6ron som en f\u00f6rsk\u00f6nande omskrivning)?<\/p>\n

”Jag vill att den demokratiska v\u00e4rlden ska segra i kriget mot terrorismen<\/i>” baseras v\u00e4l p\u00e5 att Karon har tillg\u00e5ng till information som visar att en v\u00e4sentlig del av v\u00e4rldsterrorismen utg\u00e5r fr\u00e5n Irak?<\/p>\n

”Jag vill l\u00e5ta Iraks folk leva i frihet och demokrati<\/i>” Kan man \u00e5stadkomma det utifr\u00e5n, med vapenmakt? Jag citerar g\u00e4rna en stor<\/b> amerikansk president i sammanhanget:
”Man kan inte ge m\u00e4nniskor best\u00e5ende hj\u00e4lp genom att g\u00f6ra f\u00f6r dem vad de m\u00e5ste g\u00f6ra f\u00f6r sig sj\u00e4lva<\/i>.”
Abraham Lincoln<\/p>\n

Karon undrar ocks\u00e5 vad jag \u00e4r f\u00f6r. Min inst\u00e4llning \u00f6verensst\u00e4mmer i stora drag med den som Amos Oz<\/a> redovisade i G\u00f6teborgs-Posten f\u00f6rra veckan. Ett krig kan bli n\u00f6dv\u00e4ndigt som en absolut sista \u00e5tg\u00e4rd. Det \u00e4r dock l\u00e5ngt kvar innan den beh\u00f6ver \u00f6verv\u00e4gas. Med denna deklaration \u00f6verl\u00e5ter jag eventuell fortsatt debatt till andra f\u00f6r att \u00e4gna mig \u00e5t mer l\u00e4ttviktiga fr\u00e5gor som det svenska statskicket.<\/p>\n

Till sist vill jag r\u00e4tta till ett missf\u00f6rst\u00e5nd – Jag \u00e4r inte mot<\/b> Karon M\u00f6red\u00f6sk. Jag delar f\u00f6rvisso inte Karons uppfattningar (s\u00e5 h\u00e4r l\u00e5ngt), men jag tycker att det \u00e4r ett stort steg fram\u00e5t att Karon \u00f6verg\u00e5tt till att redovisa sina \u00e5sikter och att bem\u00f6ta andras \u00e5sikter ist\u00e4llet f\u00f6r att recensera dem. Det \u00e4r v\u00e4rt inte bara en, utan flera (symboliska) oboler. Jag ser fram emot ett fortsatt givande meningsutbyte i den andan.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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Betr\u00e4ffande de ”fredliga v\u00e4garna” \u00e4ndrar Karon nu st\u00e5ndpunkt fr\u00e5n att de lett till ”ingenting” till att de…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-550","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politik"],"yoast_head":"\nV\u00e4rt en obol - F\u00f6rvetet<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.freiholtz.se\/forvetet\/2003\/03\/03\/vart-en-obol\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"sv_SE\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"V\u00e4rt en obol - F\u00f6rvetet\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Karon p\u00e5 Drullestigen kommenterar i inl\u00e4gget ”Odefinierad st\u00e5ndpunkt” kommenterad mina synpunkter p\u00e5 hans argumentation i Irakfr\u00e5gan. 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